I am in a location that cannot use Fanduel and Draftkings and such and don't really want to have to use VPN just for these sites.
I use Bovada but am finding the player props super inconsistent. I am looking for "first player to score" and other fun player props but it usually does not have it at all.
Which offshore books have the best/most nba player props? Thanks

So intertops doesnt have a lot of nfl props that fanduel sportsbook does....., or let you just randomly parlay up a bunch of NFL player props. Am i missing something or is that just how intertops is.
I cant use fanduel in my state and bovada only lets me go in with bitcoin. Intertops will take any credit card.

Does anyone know if bovada have player props for NBA games I’ve looked thru and couldn’t find any

The All-Star Reserves have been named: https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2019/1/31/18206043/nba-all-star-rosters-reserves-russell-westbrook-blake-griffin
Who will be drafted last in the All-Star Draft?
Some points:

• LeBron gets first pick in the first round where him and Giannis go back and forth picking between the All-Star Starters
  
• Giannis gets first pick in the second round where they then select from the Reserves
  

From the 14 reserves, here are the ones that I think have no shot to be last pick:

• Anthony Davis
  
• Russell Westbrook
  
• Damian Lillard
  
• Nikola Jokic
  
• Blake Griffin
  

Here are the reserves who I believe have a very low chance of being last pick:

• Karl-Anthony Towns
  
• Klay Thompson
  
• Ben Simmons
  
• Bradley Beal
  
• Kyle Lowry
  

That leaves 4 players:

• Khris Middleton
  
• Victor Oladipo's replacement (expected to be Jimmy Butler or D'Angelo Russell)
  
• Nikola Vucevic
  
• LaMarcus Aldridge
  

Now let's take a closer look at the first 2 options:

• Khris Middleton is not listed as an option on the prop bet, but that's ok. Giannis is a captain and I see no way that he doesn't draft his teammate. I think he will take him pretty early in the second round. I don't see him as a threat to be last pick.
  
• Victor Oladipo's replacement is expected to be either Jimmy Butler or D'Angelo Russell. If it's Jimmy, I see no way he falls that far, as he's too good and well respected. If it's D'Angelo, I could see it. But I am not willing to bet on D'Angelo yet since he has not been named a Reserve. But keep it in mind in case he does and you can put some money on him at +600 to hedge on the following two picks:
  

That leaves:

• Nikola Vucevic: He's currently the favourite at +400. I believe he is a strong candidate to be picked last. Pretty much all of the players listed above him are sexier picks and most are better than him as well. This is an All-Star game after all and he just doesn't come off as a player who you would take earlier when there are better options available.
  
• LaMarcus Aldridge: my personal pick to be picked last (though I like the value on both him and Vucevic). At +800, this is absolutely great value, as his game is one of the least suited for the All-Star game. He's also not a sexy pick at all and Vucevic has had a better season than him which helps his chances of being picked last.
  

CONCLUSION:

• Vucevic (+400) and LaMarcus Aldridge (+800) are both great values to be picked LAST
  
• Keep an eye on who replaces Oladipo as D'Angelo Russell has value at +600 (though I think he's less likely to be picked last than the above 2)
  
• The reason you can get such good odds on these players is because Bovada still has options up there that were NOT named as Reserves: Rudy Gobert, Tobias Harris, and Mike Conley being the best examples. This is providing more value on guys like Vucevic and LMA to bet on.
  
• Pretty much the only way this loses is if D'Angelo gets in and is selected last (you can hedge if he gets in), or some other All-Star player gets injured between now and the draft (Feb 7) and has to be replaced by someone even less sexy than Vucevic/LMA
  

Would like to hear some thoughts on this
Edit: The NBA added a third round for legacy stars and Wade and Dirk have been selected. I'm not sure how this affects this prop, but my hope is that they change the bet to who will be picked last in the second round.

I would not recommend sports gambling unless you happen to have a load of disposal income. Hell, even then, I wouldn't recommend sports gambling. Unless you have some advanced analytical system or a Marty McFly sportsbook, it's a sucker's game and a surefire way to lose money over the long run.
THAT SAID, it's still fun to talk about. And once and a while, try to take a chance on some good value picks. I'm going to suggest a few of those here, although be warned that a) gambling is dumb, b) I am dumb. But hey here are my two cents anyway.

BEST LONGSHOT PROP BETS

Matthew Stafford: most passing yards, +1500 (15:1)
I'm taking these odds from the two most popular online sportsbook. On sportsbook.ag, Stafford was +1500 (15:1). On bovada, he's +1200 (12:1).
In either case, there's value there. The Detroit Lions are going to try to run the ball more often, but time will tell if that will actually work. And if it doesn't, Matt Stafford should be zipping passes all season long. New coach Matt Patricia comes from a New England franchise that had a lot of success with the volume passing game, so I don't think he'll have any qualms about letting Stafford rip as many times as necessary.
Last season, Stafford had 4446 passing yards, 3rd most in the NFL (and only 121 behind leader Tom Brady.) And for Stafford, that was no fluke. Since 2011, he's averaged 4562 passing yards per season. If he can simply hit that average, he'll be right in the mix for the most passing yards. There's no reason to think Stafford will struggle this year in particular; the Lions' receiving corps is one of the more underrated units in the league.
If you want to be even BOLDER, you can look at Stafford at for MVP (40:1 on both sites.) I don't project Detroit into the playoffs myself, but if you do, Stafford may parlay that into MVP buzz.
Saquon Barkley: most rushing yards, +1400 (14:1)
Note: this is only +1000 on bovada, at which point I may pass. But the 14:1 on sportsbook feels like solid value.
To me, Saquon Barkley is the best RB prospect of the 2000s. Now, does that mean he's going to be a surefire stud in the NFL? No, not at all. Does that mean he's going to be good as a rookie? Not necessarily. There are several factors working against him on that front. He's been struggling with a hamstring injury in the preseason. His offensive line is a "work in progress" (to be kind.) His coach Pat Shurmur is more of a passing game guru than running guru (his Vikings tended to struggle there.)
But when you're talking about odds like this, all you want is a credible chance. And I believe Barkley gives you that. He's going to be a workhorse with every opportunity to succeed. If Eli Manning and the Giants defense continue to struggle, perhaps Shurmur leans more heavily on the running game to help control the clock. Best of all, the "bar" isn't enormously high here. Last season, Kareem Hunt led the league with 1327 rushing yards. Barkley can theoretically match or exceed that mark.
To me, the biggest threat to win this crown would be Ezekiel Elliott, whom may be dinged slightly by the loss of his center Travis Frederick. There's an opening here for someone like Barkley to burst through the gates.
Amari Cooper: most receiving yards, +4000 (40:1)
Okay you want to get crazy? Let's get nuts. Cooper is 40:1 on both sites, well down the list of top contenders.
And it's easy to understand why he's being overlooked. Cooper was AWFUL last season. He registered a pathetic 48 receptions and 680 yards, good for # 51 in the league.
So how can # 51 rise to # 1? Opportunity. To win the "most receiving yards" crown, you need targets. Lots of targets. In Oakland, Cooper should be getting that. Jon Gruden is going to make Cooper the focal point of the passing game in a major way. Cooper averaged 131 targets in 2015-16, and may improve on those marks with Michael Crabtree out of the picture. I can easily see him being peppered with 150-160, even if it means forcefeeding him the ball. If he hits that 160 mark, he'd gain about 1300 yards based on his career yards/target average.
Unlike the running back position, the "bar" is going to be high at receiver. If they're healthy, Antonio Brown, Julio Jones, and Odell Beckham will be flirting with the 1500 mark. But hey, at 40:1, you're not looking for a surefire bet. You're buying a lottery ticket.
Christian Kirk (WR-ARI), offensive rookie of the year: +10,000 (100:1)
This is only +5500 (55:1) on bovada, but I'd still look at this either way. Kirk is the 20th highest player on the board, and good value at that spot.
Obviously, Saquon Barkley is the heavy favorite for this award. Hell, he may be the leading rusher in the NFL (as discussed.) But if Barkley does not live up to the/my hype, then there may be an opening here. Fellow top backs (Rashaad Penny, Ronald Jones, Sony Michel, Nick Chubb) have not secured a major role for their teams yet. Royce Freeman (DEN) is a major threat, but it's not like Denver is a powerhouse of an offense themselves.
In terms of quarterbacks, I don't see any of this particular class excelling out of the gates. With the exception of Baker Mayfield (who's a backup), they're all young and in need of some refinement. They'll get the headlines, but probably not this trophy.
Enter Kirk as a potential sleeper. One of my favorite pet theories regards the predictive quality of Immediate Impact. In college, it's very rare for a player to step right onto campus and make an impact as a true freshman (without a redshirt season first.) When they do, they often make a similar immediate impact in the NFL. Joey Bosa is a great example of this; the kid ripped it up for 7.5 sacks as a true freshman at Ohio State, and sure enough, looked ready from Day 1 in the NFL as well.
Receiver Christian Kirk had that same type of "immediate impact" at Texas A&M, leading the team with 1009 yards as a true freshman. Physically, he's not an overwhelming talent, but he's exceptionally polished and skilled for his age. Apparently he's been displaying that in Arizona already, which could translate into a major role. I wouldn't be shocked if he gets 800-900+ yards out of the gate.
Is he a likely rookie of the year? No. But hey, this is 100:1 we're talking about. All you want is a chance. And I believe he has that.
Derwin James: defensive rookie of the year, +1400 (14:1)
James is 14:1 on bovada, but only 10:1 on sportsbook. At 14:1, I'm looking hard at this bet.
Copy and paste what I wrote about "immediate impact" and apply it tenfold to Derwin James. As a true freshman at Florida State, he looked like a superstar, registering 91 total tackles, 4.5 sacks, and 2 forced fumbles from the safety position. An injury derailed his sophomore year, but he's now 2 years recovered from that and should be back to elite form. There aren’t many safeties like him. Ever. He's a 6'3" rocket launcher.
With the Chargers, Derwin James has every opportunity to shine. The Chargers may be a top 3 defense this year and a potential playoff force, keeping James in the spotlight. He can also be used in a variety of roles -- including as a pass rusher -- which should help bolster his stats.
Any "defensive rookie of the year" race is wide open because there are so many horses in the field, but James would be a top 3 candidate to me, at a very reasonable and discounted price here.
Von Miller: most sacks, +1800 (18:1)
Again, with a "long shot" bet, all you really want is a viable chance of success. Von Miller as the leading sack artist in the league? There's definitely a chance of that. He's recorded 10+ sacks in six of his seven years in the league, with the only exception in 2013 when he missed 7 games.
I wouldn't necessarily peg Miller as the favorite for this distinction (that would probably be Joey Bosa), but he offers the best value given these odds. Your hope here is that rookie DE Bradley Chubb takes some of the pressure off Miller, and allows him to rack up 14-15 sacks again. If the Denver Broncos offense plays a little better as a team, that should also help Miller's cause as well. Opponents didn't need to throw much on them last year -- registering just 491 passing attempts. If that numbers climbs back up to 520-530, then Miller will have more bites at the apple.

People keep talking about how Phillies are the favorites to sign Bryce but where do they get these odds from? Anybody know a site that does player props with FA destinations? Bovada doesn't. I googled around but never found anything. I know there are the rumors that all Harper props were taken down but maybe they have other fun prop bets like that.

I posted about short slates last week and got some good feedback from you guys and thought I'd post something you may want to use this week for M/Th gpps. This is only for gpps and will get you absolutely crushed in cash, so if you decide to use some pieces of it, only do it in gpps.

1. There aren't any player props up yet, but when they get posted later today you can find them here: https://sports.bovada.lv/football/nfl/minnesota-vikings-chicago-bears-201710092030 There will not be player props for the Thursday game posted yet.
   
2. Vegas Line movements are here: https://www.sportsinsights.com/nfl/ Minnesota opened as a -2 point favorite and is now up to -3.5 with 68% of the bets. Most of this has to do with the fact that Chicago is starting a Rookie QB and Bradford now seems likely to play. The line in Carolina is the Panthers -3 and an o/u of 45. The betting is 60/40 on Philly and the line is the same. The over has moved up to 46 with 82% of the betting.
   
3. I think based on Newton's last 2 games, he's going to be the highest owned QB on this slate, and probably by a significant margin. The public is likely going to flock to a "name" QB playing at home in a national game, coming off of 2 great games. And the public might be right. However....
   
4. I use the Rotoviz Game Splits app a lot and it basically shows you the breakdown of players individual splits based on a variety of factors, location, opponent, point spread, number of pass attempts, etc. There's a ton of them. However if you break down Newton since the start of last year his basic home/road split is kind of telling: He averages 4 points more on the road than at home.
   
5. I've started using FantasyADHD and their adjusted matchup app to look at how different teams lineup statistically. http://fantasyadhd.com/matchups/ The two categories I use are "expected points" and "Differential" The guy who runs it participates in a Slack chat I'm in and has some good insights. If you look at Caronlina's QB matchup for this week, it's a bit above average in expected points but actually a bit of a downgrade for Newton based on the differential selection. (If you use the link above, for the Differentials going left to right is "good to bad on average" and green is "good" for a plus matchup for the offense and red is "bad" or a downgrade for the offense.) So now, I feel o.k. in the assumption that Cam will be over owned, his home splits are worse than his road, and statistically, this isn't some kind of can't miss situation for Cam.
   
6. The ADHD matchup isn't wild about the Philly and Carolina WR's. Combining that info with the higher point total in the Thursday game, I would guess a lot of ownership flows to that game. Based on that, I think this opens up value in the Minn WR. Diggs will probably be highly owned, but if you look at the Week 5 WR matchups on the ADHD tool, you'll see that Minnesota has both good expected point totals for WR's and a good differential. Diggs has 4 TDs in 3 games vs the Bears. Thielen will probably be under owned and seems to possible provide a good pivot to the Carolina/Philly guys. The QB matchup is considered a bit of a positive for the Vikings as well. Anyway, it's an interesting tool that you can play around with.
   
7. I think the prevailing view will be people liking McCaffery and the ADHD matchup doesn't really look promising for him. Murray has a bad matchup using the ADHD tools and Blount's is viewed as good under the tools. I would think a lot of people might float towards Murray as the Vikings are a favorite in their game. I'm thinking that the Bears RB's are kind of the wild card here. On the one hand, the Bears are starting a rookie QB so conventionally wisdom would be they lean on the running game to help him out. Yet, they are playing the Vikings who have a good run D. Using the ADHD tools, it's viewed as an ok/slightly above matchup for expected points, but it's actually a downgrade under the differential tool. Howard ran for over 100 yards in each meeting against the Vikings last year and Cohen has had his two best games at home this year although the game script and small sample size alerts applies here.
   
8. At TE I assume Ertz will be the chalk with good reason. I'm just locking him in, although on sites like DK with a flex I could see trying to play Rudolph. I think Dickson will be over owned based off of what he did yesterday.
   

What does this all mean? I'm starting to think in general terms that the Vikings/Bears game has a shot of going over the total and the PantheEagles will probably go under, which is probably going against the conventional wisdom on this slate. I think you can fade Cam and get some value with Bradford (or even Keenum) and stack both Minnesota WR's to gain an attack plan. If you play around with the ADHD matchup thing, I think it shows there's a pretty good chance McCaffery doesn't put up a monster game, so I'm going to do the "double fade" on some of my lineups and essentially just skip the Panthers offense. I don't think most people will even think about this (and maybe they're right) so it will probably create a lot of unique lineups. I also think
TLDR: there's some statistical/game theory support to fade the Panthers offense, stock up on Minnesota's Passing game, play Ertz and mix and match RB's from the other 3 teams. Yes, on this kind of slate it's o.k to play Viking WR's and Bears RBs together.
There is massive downside with fading the team with the highest implied point total on a 2 game slate, but to succeed in short slate gpps you have to have a unique way to attack the slate. Again, this is absolute suicide in cash games but if you're willing to accept risk in gpps, it's probably a good angle for this slate.
Edit: I forgot to mention, I would sprinkle liberal doses of McKinnon in at RB.
2nd Edit: Deonte Thompson is a cheap receiver that will likely avoid Xavier Rhodes and he gets "The Human Turnstile" Trae Waynes.

So I’m sick of my local bookie not having all the games i need (ex: weird D2 European soccer, player props, live betting, etc).
Want to go to an online bookie but need a recommendation? Read a lot of good stuff about Heritage, but any other recommendations based on the below?

1. Can’t use bitcoin/crypto since i cannot buy it due to my work
2. Would like to use a visa prepaid ($500) so i don’t have to input my credit/debit card
3. Someone with good withdraw by check options
4. Allows signups in NJ (bovada does not allow if address is NJ)

Thanks!

I've been using the Vegas Odds and Prop bets more in my research/analysis the last few weeks and have found that it's been helping in analyzing things a bit better. I posted some stuff on Sunday morning (and so did a couple of other people) that I think was helpful and wanted to just post the links to a few places so people could have it handy if they wanted to book mark it.
I've been using the following site to track the o/u and spreads on games: https://www.sportsinsights.com/free-odds/ (I don't have any affiliation with the site, and never purchased any of their paid content so have no idea if it's good or not). They have a pretty clearly laid out site and the information seems to update constantly.
One of the useful things to pay attention to is they display the amount of bets that are being placed on both the oveunder and on each team both straight up ("Money Line") and against the spread. They do not however show you the total amount of all those bets. But that's o.k., because you can roughly figure it out.
On this week's game, you can see the oveunder on the Eagles/Washington game started at 46.5. If you look to the left of the 46.5, you can see that 91% of the bets went on the "over" in that game. However, if you left to the right of the 46.5, you can see that the o/u total has fallen to either 44 or 44.5 (depending on which betting site you use) What does that tell us? That even though people are betting at a 9-1 rate on the over, there has been so much money bet on the under by the 9% that think it's going under, that Vegas has decided to move the line down. That's a pretty significant indicator to me, that the really "sharp" guys who do this for a living, think that game is going to lower scoring then what the general public does. To me for DFS purposes, this means you need to be careful picking players from this game.
Another thing you can use the lines for is to see if there are any wild swings in the how many points a team is favored by just before game time, as opposed to when the week started. For Week 5, the Rams initially opened as -2.5 favorites at home vs the Bills. By Sunday morning, the line had swung all the way to the Bills were -2.5 road favorites, so a 5 point swing. That doesn't happen very often, so it's something to watch out for.
For player props, I use the bet lines posted by Bovada: https://sports.bovada.lv/football/nfl/game-lines-market-group (again, I have no affiliation with bovada and have never bet there)
The above is the link to their general game lines. On the pull down menu at the top left, it will have have a selection that says "props" They have nothing listed as of today. By Sunday morning it will say "QB Props" "Rushing Props" and "Receiving Props"
When they are displaying information it will generally be in a format that will have a total o/u for number of yards with a separate number in front of and behind the yardage numbers. Essentially if the two numbers are "-115" that means that you have to lay $115 to win $100 on whatever side of the bet you want. Also means the bet is essentially even, neither side is favored. If one side of the number says "-125" and the other side says "-105" that means the "-125" is the more highly favored bet and you'd have to bet $125 to win $100. For DFS purposed, that means the "-125" side is more likely to happen, so if it's on an over, that means it's more likely that the player goes over the yardage total.
Real world example: Week 4, Matt Ryan's passing yards were (I believe) 285 yards, with either -125 or -140 on the over. To me that meant, Vegas thought that Ryan was going to have a good/great day passing. He did with 500 yards. He was 1.9% owned. I put him in a couple of lineups solely because I saw the Vegas prop bet. Julio Jones also had (I believe) the 2nd highest prop total for receiving yards with money favoring the over. Again, I played him primarily because of this issue.
Anyway, hope this helps people that were interested in this kind of stuff but maybe didn't completely understand it.(and hopefully I didn't make it more confusing"
Good luck

Update at 11:00 A.M. EST: Vegas has released more player props then when I wrote this originally. Everything in the body of this still holds true. I would add the following comments:
Vegas likes the big three Falcons (Ryan, Freeman and Jones) to have good games;
If you're looking for a QB/WR hookup with big play potential, Vegas is leaning towards Brees/Cooks. If you look at the o/u prop for longest touchdown in that game it is set at 42.5 yards. There is a separate bet on which team will score the longest TD in the game. The Saints are the heavy favorites at -150. Cooks is an even money bet to score a TD in that game. Putting that all together (and it's like reading tea leaves) I think Vegas is implying that Cooks may bust another long TD. Cooks has the highest receiving yardage prop of any Saints WR, and is the only predicted to go over the receiving yardage and catch props for New Orleans. If you're going to throw a dart in a gpp, I'd go with Cooks. Brees o/u on yardage has been bet up 14 yards since Friday and is higher than the total amount of passing yards the Broncos have given up in any game this year. You almost never see that.
I've received a lot of questions/comments about my other posts and I've tried answering them all, but I'm sure I always leave something out (unintentionally). I see some things in the way the lines have moved from earlier this week to this morning, that I think can help answer the questions/comments in a more practical way than I generally can explain them. This is the link for where I look at the lines, there are other places, this is just easiest for me. If you decide to follow this kind of stuff, and you find another site that is easier for you to use, you should use that. https://www.sportsinsights.com/free-nfl-odds/
-----When one side of a line is being heavily bet the line should move towards that side.
This morning there are two great examples of what, for lack of a better word, is "normal"
The Cardinals opened as -12.5 point home favorites against the 49ers. Currently, 63% of the bets on the point spread have been on the Cardinals. The line has now moved to the Cardinals being favored by -14 points. That makes sense. If you want to bet the Cardinals, and most people do, you have to give more points to get them. That's how Vegas essentially tries to balance out these lines.
There's a second good example of this involving an oveunder this week. The o/u in the Broncos/Saints opened at 47. 77% of the bets have been on the over and the over now sits at 50. That makes sense. A bunch of people want to bet on the over, so now in order to try and balance the wagers (I know it's actually more complicated than this, but this is essentially what's going on) Vegas is moving the number higher to try and encourage more people to take the under.
------ When Stuff gets "Weird" there's usually a reason.
In the blog link I posted earlier in the week I mentioned that I thought some weird stuff was going on with the Texans/Jags game. I'm got going to regurgitate it here, but if this interests you, you should go read it.
However, there's another game with a similar thing going on. in the Bengals/Giants game, the Giants opened as -3 point favorites. 56% of the bets on the spread have been on the Giants. All things being equal I would guess that the line would not move at all or perhaps move .5 towards the Giants. But the complete opposite of that has occurred, the line is now Bengals -1. Why? Let me introduce you to the concept of the "Sharps" These are the guys who bet for a living. These are referred to as "the guys who know" by some. And I, who have been paying attention to this stuff all year have come to a conclusion about "the guys who know": They really do know some things. When a line swings so substantially against the betting patterns it's because the side of the bet getting less of the total percentage of bets is getting the heavier volume/weight of the bets. The Jags/Texans game is a perfect example of the the Sharps basically saying the general public is being stupid. The Bengals/Giants game to me is giving off the same vibe.
What does this mean for DFS purposes? I think the Jags Defense is a great play. Brock Osweiler on the road is essentially fantasy goodness for the opposing team and while the general public may look at the Jags as a shitty team (which they are), the "sharps" are looking at it as "Osweiler on the road is a liability, we will gladly give you less than a field goal. Thank you in advance for the money" Again, this is my interpretation of what the betting patterns say. I got no independent clue as to what will happen, and I was planning to largely fade this game anyway. I would mention that the o/u on passing yards for Osweiler is 215.5. The o/u on Osweiler TD passes is 1.5 with -125 on the under. https://sports.bovada.lv/football/nfl/qb-props-market-group These player prop bets are ridiculously low for a non-running threat QB. Make of it what you will.
-----The Sunday Night Hammer Theory
While it's more prevalent in MLB and NBA, I know a lot of people like the idea of playing guys in the last game of a slate and refer to it as a "Hammer" The Vegas lines on the Sunday night Seahawks/Pats game make me think there might be a couple of hammers in that game.
The spread opened with the Pats -7.5 favorites. 71% of the action has been on the Pats (that means taking the points) and the line has not moved. The o/u opened at 48 and with 60% of the action on the over, it's moved one point up to 49. My thinking is that the "Sharps" are loading up on the Seahawks, and since Seattle cannot run, and is playing on the road as a touchdown dog, the "Sharps" kind of like Wilson and the Seahawks passing game to put up some points and keep this thing closer than the betting public does. Given how the o/u has gone up with the majority of the bets, I'm guessing the "Sharps" think the 48 number is pretty accurate but that it's likely to go over.
Fun factoid: you know who loves to gamble and always gives a shout out to his degenerate faithful? Al Michaels. He loves to mention gambling phrases especially towards the end of games when certain things happen. For instance he will use the word "over" several times in different contexts after a game hits the "over" of the Vegas line. If it's a Field Goal that puts it "over" he'll make a comment like "and the Field Goal is up and over for the..." If there's a late score in a game by a team that is favored to "cover" the spread, he'll often times say something similar to: "Well, that just about covers it folks, the game is pretty much over"
Good luck

https://sports.bovada.lv/football/nfl/receiving-props-market-group
Qb's
Yardage Props: Brees 310, Wilson 277, Winston 269, Ryan/Carr 255, Cousins 254, smith 249, Dak 245, Wentz 239, Goff 237, Eli 225, Newton 222, Dalton 219, Mariota 217, Savage 215, Brissett 212 (there's a few more that aren't really that interesting)
TD passes: the last few weeks Bovada (and I think most of the other places that have these lines) have essentially started making the baseline TD Pass prop 1.5 for virtually every QB and then using the "juice" to show if they like them to go over or under, and there aren't many props that deviate from this 1.5 number. This week there are 4 QB's who have props of 2 Passing TDs: Brees (-150 over) and then Wilson/Smith/Dak all with the same odds of even on the over, -130 under. CarWinston are at 1.5 with -165 over, Wentz at 1.5 with -150 over and Newton at 1.5 with -130 over.
Note about Cam: Vegas has been pretty good at projecting good rushing TD chances for Cam this year, and this week they have him as the most likely Panther to score a TD at +150 (which is the best I've ever seen for a QB Rushing TD) and for 30 rushing yards. He is just as likely to make a bunch of stupid bone head throws as he usually does, but the player props themselves look good for him. (which of course means he has a shitty day)
RBs
Rushing Yards: Zeke 105, Fournette 87, Gurley 85, Hunt 83, Ingram 70, Peterson 69, Collins 65 (-130 under), Miller 62 (-130 over), Murray 62, Hyde 60.
Zeke has a combined yardage prop of 133, Hunt is at 113 on that prop. Although not listed as a prop, Gurley's combined yards props are at 120.
Receiving Yards:
WR's: Julio/M.Thomas 77, Evans 75, Hopkins 72, Dez/Fitz 69, AJG 67, Baldwin 64, T. Hill/D. Thomas 62
TE's: Kelce 64, Ertz 57, Engram 55, Graham/Brate 47, Doyle 45
RB's not already mentioned above: CMC 45, Ingram 27
TD Props: Gurley -200, Miller -150, Hopkins -125, Ingram -150, M. thomas -125, Evans Even, Freeman -200, Julio Even, Fournette -200, Zeke -250, Hunt -175, Dez/Kelce -115, Hill/Witten +125, Dak +200, Cooper +125
Good luck

Looking for individual player props of

• Points (P)
• Rebounds (R)
• Assists (A)
• PRA
• PR
• PA

Curious about BetOnline with the build-able player props, but the selection of players is limited.
A few other tidbits:

• I'm in the US.
• I'd prefer a book that is slow with placing limits
• I'd prefer a book where all the player props are fairly accessible on the same page (similar to how Bovada does it here: https://sports.bovada.lv/basketball/nba/player-props-market-group)
• And of course a book that doesn't have a history of being difficult to work with

Perspective from an amateur NBA and NFL bettor. Previously used Bovada.
The Good

• Withdrawing and depositing is really easy. Practically no minimum deposit (there is one, but it's something really small).
• Lines are up as early as possible.
• Lines aren't altered as much as Bovada. The same lines you see on your favorite sports site will be the line on Nitrogen.
• Lines don't get disabled or removed very often. Bovada has a quick trigger when it comes to stuff like this, and it's incredibly frustrating.
• You can pick +/- 1.5 pt on each line. So if a line is -3, you will have the option of taking -1.5, -2, -2.5, -3, -3.5, -4, or -4.5. And its all in a really convenient dropdown, so you don't have to go to another page.
• The picks in your bet slip are remembered by your account. So if you change devices or leave for whatever reason, your bet slip is still there (seems pretty basic, but for some reason Bovada doesn't do this).
• Two-way teases. So you can tease the line for away and home team together.
• The point options for teases are available for all teases. I know Bovada switches up the point options depending on how many picks you have.

The Bad

• You can't parlay the point spread and the O/U of the same game.
• Can only tease four teams. Doing more than four teams may be stupid, but you should at least have the option
• If you want to buy points but also tease, you have to make a new bet slip. You buy points before you add a pick to your bet slip, but you can't tease a pick that has an altered line, of course. So unless you add the original line, you cant tease. It would be nice if they did what Bovada does, which is have alternate line options in the bet slip.
• Making a wager can be irritating. If there is a slight change in the line, or sometimes even randomly, it will stop you from making the wager. Sometimes it's not clear which line in your bet slip is causing the error, so you have to remove all the picks, refresh your page, and re-add the picks. It's not that big a deal, but it's irritating.
• The picks you have chosen aren't highlighted. And you can't remove them by simply clicking them again. This doesn't seem like it should be that big a deal, but it's really inconvenient, especially on mobile. Scrolling up and down is annoying (the bet slip on mobile isn't a modal dialog, it just stays at the top of the page).
• You can't retain your selections after you've placed a bet. Once you've make a bet, your bet slip is cleared.

The Awful

• Ties lose on ALL teasers. Absolutely horrific.
• Live betting is poor. I haven't even been able to place 2nd half bets.
• Player props suck. Pretty much non-existent.
• Payouts for some teases are bad, relative to Bovada. For example a three team, 7 pt tease on basketball pays out 1.830 on Nitrogen. But a three team, 8 pt tease on Bovada pays out 1.909.
• This one really pisses me off. Say you are ready to make a tease. You've selected your picks, your point option, and clicked to make your wager. But for whatever reason, there is an error. Like I stated in the previous section, sometimes you have to refresh your page. Well when you refresh your page, Nitrogen now highlights that you want to parlay instead of tease! So if you aren't paying attention, you could possibly make a monumental error. This happened to me once. I thought it was my fault and didn't realize that Nitrogen does this automatically until I almost made the same mistake again a couple of days later.

Wrap-up
Judging from the comments at /sportsbook, you would think, like I did, that Nitrogen is amazing. But overall, I would say it's just okay. If all you want to do is deposit, bet the lines, and withdraw, then you can't get any better (ignoring the bad UX). But if you enjoy doing anything else and only want to use one sportsbook, then I would suggest staying away.
But that's probably not the way to go. Different sportsbooks are good at different things. So use Nitrogen's best features--fast, accurate lines and instant withdrawals--with the best features of another sportsbook. Hope this was helpful.

There was a really weird set of prop bets on the Thursday Night Football game that I had never seen before and that I decided to play around with, and I think it might be useful to some of you who have been following along.
Bovada listed the o/u on passing yards for Blake Bortles at 255.5 with -125 on the over. (That means it was the "favorite") It then had a bunch of weird bets, things I've literally never seen before, in conjunction with the Jags Receivers. The o/u on yardage for each receiver was nearly identical. It was 57.5 on Robinson, 53.5 on Hurns and 50.5 on Lee, all with an identical -125 on the over. The reception total prop was also weird, each of them was either 4 or 4.5 with an identical -125 on the over. Also of note was the prop bet for Bortles TD passes was 1 1/2, with -140 on the over. Given how f'ing awful Bortles had been, I read the bets on him as essentially saying "We think Bortles will have a potential huge game." And I read the WR prop bets to be continuing this statement by saying "But we have no fucking clue who it will be with" In my mind, no way Bortles has a big day, without at least one, and maybe two, of the receivers having a huge day as well.
At this point I was a little unsure if I was reading this correctly and I tweeted to one of the writers I follow who has a good grasp on this. He didn't really understand the prop bets very much either. But then I saw a tweet from another writer I follow indicating that Perish Cox was going to be out, and that his replacement graded out as one of the five worst corners in the league. Then it all started to make sense, Vegas was saying essentially "One of these Receivers is going to go off, but we're not sure who"
Side note: Why is understanding the Vegas message in the lines important? Because you need to understand what Vegas is not only saying, but what they're trying to get the public to bet. In this case, with identical -125 on all of the receivers, I think Vegas was inviting people to "just pick one, they're all the same"
How does this apply to DFS: I decided to put my theory into action and I played some lineups with Bortles and the Receivers. On DK I entered the 3 max $3 Triple Option, and entered basically three dummy lineups, but I put one of the Jags receivers in each one. Lee went off at 11.8%, Robinson went off at 2.7% and Hurns went off at 1.6% They ended up finishing with 2.1, 13.0, and 22.8 points respectively.
For their actual performances and relation to the Vegas props, Hurns and Robinson went over on the yardage and reception and Lee went under. My guess is that that's probably the reverse order that the actual bets on the players prop went off. I'm guessing Lee had the most action on the over on both bets and Hurns either had the least, or had the most action on the under. Interestingly enough the ownership was inverse to their performance, i.e. the lowest owned guy, Hurns, had the best score. Robinson was in the middle on both, and Lee had the highest ownership, but worst performance.
I played Bortles in the $5 $50K Rush on Fanduel. He went off at 2.7%. He put up 29.68 points. I'm guessing he'll be one of the top 3 scoring QBs for the week.
On DK, I think I now have an added benefit on the team that has Hurns: I can still play Booker if I want because he's so damn cheap, but if I want to fade him, I already have banked "my Booker" a/k/a Hurns, at a fraction of the ownership (1.9%) of Booker. The other two lineups definitely need Booker after their crappy performances.
TL;dr (A bunch of nonsensical observations, verbal masturbation really, basically saying if you see a weird prop bet, do some research and throw some lineups into DK if you want to play a hunch because you can late swap your way out if you fuck up.)

Player Props: https://sports.bovada.lv/football/nfl/quarterback-props-market-group
Lines: https://www.sportsinsights.com/nfl/
There aren't any games this week in which the favorite has switched so far, but there is some heavy line movement with Reverse Line Movement in a couple of games.
Dallas opened up as -7.5 home favorites and have received 54% of the action, but the line has actually moved down to -6. This RLM is indicative of A LOT of money being bet on the Rams.
Cinci opened as -4 point road favorites at Cleveland and with 70% of the bets on them, the line again has moved down to -3. Another Reverse Line Movement situation.
In tonight's game, Green Bay opened up as -7.5 home favorites and have had 75% of the action bet on them. However, the line has actually moved down to -7, indicating heavy action on the Bears. The o/u in this game also opened at 45.5 and has received 66% of the action, but has actually moved down to 44. What does all of this mean? The people who do the heavier betting are taking the Bears and heavily betting the under.
The player props for this game are also out and of interest:
Aaron Rodgers has a yardage prop of 300.5, with -125 on the over. His TD prop is 2.5 with -125 on the under. This is similar to last week's props for him. I think his props combined with the other action listed above, points to Rodgers likely having a "good" but not great game, and might point to GB having problems blocking the Bears front 4. Of course Rodgers could go off at anytime, and did have a home game against the Bears two years ago where he threw for 6 TDs. He's obviously always in consideration for play in DFS.
Cohen actually has some good props at 35.5 rushing yards -130 over and 36.5 receiving yards, -130 over. His TD prop is +175
Ty Montgomery has a rushing prop of 55.5, -115 even and a receiving prop of 30.5, -125 over. His TD prop is -125.
Jordan Howard has a rushing prop of 67.5 and a receiving prop of 14.5, both are an even -115.
Jordy Nelson leads the Pack receivers with a receiving prop of 75.5, -125 over; Adams 57.5, -130 over, Cobb 53.5, -115 even.
Zach Miller has a receiving prop of 32.5 -130 over, Kendall Wright is at 35.5, -125 over.
Good luck

Just got back from the Packer game and naturally I don't want to write about physics. There was a recent thread about bets you made with your buddy, so here are some interesting bets you can actually place right now at Bovada Consider this a Bill Simmonsesque post. You would be a fool to actually place wagers based on what I write.
MVP Demar Derozan 250:1 Very unlikely but holy shit if it actually happened. Talk about hitting the lottery.
MVP Anthony Davis 25:1 Hard to find better value than this if you're trying to get "rich" quick. Injuries and the two best basketball players on the planet being healthy make this unlikely but he could sneak in an MVP award if he improves at the rate he has, D-Rose style
...but the smart money is on Lebron James 3:2. Sure it isn't a huge payout, but Lebron is the best basketball player in the world. Playing on a new team and not winning MVP last year, Lebron does not have voter fatigue working against him. He is likely to get credit for any success Cleveland has. He will also have to take the fall if things go wrong, but that is an unlikely situation.
Rookie of the Year: Adreian Payne 50:1 likely high minutes, four years of college bball, Payne is a huge sleeper in this draft despite showing more pg skills than Exum or Lavine. If he can score points (the assists will be there) Payne could make you big money. He's 50:1 for a reason tho, he could also easily average 3 pts 2 assists and not a lot of minutes
ROY Doug McDermott: 12:1 Why wouldn't you bet on "the most nba ready player" in this draft? Doug McBuckets was created to do one thing. Score buckets. Unfortunately his lack of ability to do much else will likely keep him a long shot, unless Parker and Wiggins don't do much. If you don't believe in Parker or Wiggins then by all means put your money in McDermott. He's right up there for ROY.
...but the smart money is on Jabari Parker 3:1. Already compared to Carmelo Anthony, Jabari can score from anywhere on the court seemingly at will. He is inheriting a Bucks roster that has no lead dog. Make no mistake about it, Parker will be the number one scoring option for the Bucks. Can you say the same thing about Wiggins? Randle? McDermott? While Jabari's defense may be a weakness in the long wrong, I don't see it impacting his ROY candidacy. If this last year has taught us anything, it's that you don't have to be a hero to win ROY.
Team Championship Odds
11:2 Chicago Bulls, OKC Thunder Take your pick. Do you believe in KD, the reigning MVP and most dangerous player with a basketball on the planet or the defensive intensity of the Bulls and the revival of their superstar point guard? Personally, I think OKC is the better team but that's not how you bet. Chicago has a much easier road to the finals but it would be foolish to pick Chicago without a 80% of what they used to have or better Derrick Rose. I like OKC of the two but they both aren't bad bets.
GSW 25:1 I know, I know. You can't win a finals with just three point shooting. Still, if the Warriors got hot at the right time they could do some serious damage. If they get lucky in the first round and turn it on in the second round, they could be in the Finals. I personally am not a huge fan of this team, but I see the appeal of betting on them.
PHX 100:1 Maybe Bledsoe is worth what he says he is. Put $10 down and spend the grand on Keystone on McDonald's if you're right
...but the smart money is on SAS 4:1. While Cleveland has the better odds at 5:2, it is really hard to bet against the Spurs. Sure they have never repeated titles, but aren't they always defying expectations? Are you expecting them to drop off due to age? Sure Duncan and Ginobli are old but Parker sure as hell isn't. And god damn don't we all love us some Kawhi? He's a year older (more experienced) and so are Patty Mills and Danny Green. The Heatles took awhile to get going and I see the same thing happening to Lebron this year.
Edit: I feel like I post here enough to not have to say it but I just want to say I am in no way trying to promote Bovada. It is just the "bookie" I prefer to use. Lots of great other ones out there. Also would anyone be interested in a daily thread discussing the lines once the season gets under way? I never see any posts about betting here.

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Questions	Answers
I saw a comment in /nfl yesterday which suggested that your MVP odds are based not only on the actual odds of the player winning, but on the amount of money that is being bet (which was their explanation for why a guy like Manziel even has odds in the first place.)	Part of the fun in posting odds like these across any sport is having to follow the opinion of crotchety sportswriters talk about why they may vote for a player because he "plays the game the right away". Goodness.
I'm an avid gambler and I always wanted to work in sports gambling- how did you get in your position?	I kind of fell into it. I had been wagering on sports from a very young age with medium levels of success. While I always thought that I just "got sports", having a mathematical background helped me quantify what I was seeing, and then eventually, what and how I was betting.
One stupid question (maybe) what are the restrictions on betting for you since you are an oddsmaker?	Because there isn't often a 'Help Wanted' sign when it comes to these positions, I'd recommend familiarizing yourself with the ins and outs of excel, programming and intense mathematics. Then go out and start crushing books. The best way to get noticed by sportsbooks is to go and take their money.
How do you determine odds for WWE events when it's a scripted event?	Admittedly I'm not the biggest WWE fan, but there's a lot of information in messageboards and podcasts about what storylines make the most sense and what fans reasonably expect to happen.
	Having said that...
	The Undertaker was a 1/20 favorite at Wrestlemania versus Brock Lesnar. Long story short, his reign of Wrestlemania supremacy came to an end and we suffered our worst single-event loss in the month of April of this year.
	Lesnar has the rare distinction of costing us a lot of money in both real and scripted fighting.
What (in your opinion) is the most interesting prop bet you've ever done on the site?	Wracking my brain and we've really run gamut here. Our Super Bowl props this past February had 500 different options surrounding national anthem length, gatorade color dumped on winning coach, Bruno Mars' first song...etc.
	Lately we've been experimenting more with in-game props. If a player is close to a significant in-game achievement, we've begun to offer odds on perfect games, no-hitters, hitting for the cycle. Anything that differentiates us from our competitors. The reception to these have been really positive.
Do you have any stories or examples of a time you've set a line and found yourself WAY off where other books (Vegas, online, anywhere) have put the number?	The Super Bowl is a great example here as while most games closed it as a PK (or SEA/DEN) small fave, we held with the Broncos as 3-pt favorites. I know this seemingly contradicts what I've said before about recreational money affecting the line, but the Super Bowl as a one-off event takes more than anything else we'll offer in a calendar year.
Did you stick to your number or move more in line with the consensus?	Because of the overwhelming action on a event like this, we were happy to have money on the Broncos at this price while conceding that those betting on Seattle likely had very valuable bets.
What was the largest bet you have ever taken?	In relation to the average bet size for the market, we took mid-five figures over-limit bet on Mitt Romney to win the last Presidential Election from one of our larger players. Political wagering was something that in previous years had seen average bet sizes of $10-$20 but with more science behind the process (ie. poll aggregation etc), we had much higher limits in 2010 than we had had in previous years.
	We were big Obama fans by election night.
What's the hardest sport to get right?	Of the main sports right now, I'd say NCAA-B was brutal last year, if only for totals. The new rules surrounding called fouls pushed scoring up ~20 pts per game early last season as games devolved into free-throw competitions. Fortunately the calls softened as the season progressed but there were a lot of NCAA-B events last year that both we and our competitors were unable to even post totals for.
Curious approximately how much money (in how short a time span) has to get put down for a line to move by a point (or even half a point)?	There's no one answer here as there's a lot of competing factors here. Earlier in the week when the limits are lower, a smaller bet from a respected player can move the line simply by having his financial opinion out there whereas a longterm loser dropping a significant bet on a point spread will rarely make us bat an eyelash. More often than not it's the opinion of the few (or changing information) that moves lines for us, not pure volume.
How come you guys are always the last ones to put up moneyline bets or even spreads in general? Why are your spreads constantly worse than other sites such as 5dimes?	We get this one a lot and its dictated largely by our player base. Because our players are more of the recreational variety (smaller bets with bets coming closer to game time), we don't traditionally see a lot of handle, especially in relation to our game day handle when we post early. In terms of raw numbers, ~80% of our wagering for an NFL event comes in about an hour before it kicks off.
Recreational, small bettors are the majority everywhere. You are in fact driving away the larger bettors at the same time by limiting yourself to that audience. 2 days prior to the game is not posting early. Most large, growing sites list at least a week in advance.	That's a fair point and we may look in the future to posting earlier with even lower limits. As it stands, we're comfortable with the current offering times as a business practice.
Why is it that bovada only offers a limited amount of moneylines?	It's a liability issue -- When spreads get up to a certain point, the ML payout on the underdog becomes high enough that, when available for parlays with other significant underdogs, creates concerning liabilities. Each book eventually kills the moneyline offering when the underdog odds get up to a certain point. Ours is just a touch more conservative.
How come you dont offer any kind of betting trend statistics?	Eh, a lot of the time these trends are close to useless. There are so many mitigating/contextual factors missing from "[team-x] has covered the spread [y-times] when [z-factor] is in play" that there's not always a lot to be taken from it.
	They serve as entertainment but I would rarely be betting off of these so-called trends.
Have you looked in to adding Esports such as Starcraft 2, or League of Legends?	As for Esports, I loved playing StarCraft when I was younger but I just don't see the market for it with our players and to be honest, wouldn't know where to start when it comes to capping it.
What stats do you use when making odds for week 1? Preseason or last season? A combo of both? Does it vary for the team?	Last season with adjustments for depth. Preseason is largely a tirefire (the Colts under Peyton Manning would traditionally go 0-4 and 1-3) but there are small snippets of info worth gathering, especially with teams that are looking to improve and actually need those extra reps, versus teams that are already established.
How does live betting work? Do you hire people to watch the games and close betting when certain events happen (penalties, goals, etc)? Are the people hired sitting in the actual stands watching the games? Because it seems they always see things happen before the delay.	We try to optimize the variety of the feeds we have available to us to ensure we have the quickest feed possible. Unfortunately (for our live traders), they have not yet been given the opportunity to attend the matches they're trading, but we try and keep them as comfortable as possible with their own private offices, big screen TVs and 6 different television feeds for each event.
What are your best leans for a 7 team parlay this opening weekend?	I would advise finding individual bets that you like more than looking to make it rich on a massive payout like that. Typically sportsbooks hold much higher on parlays then they do on a straight bets so you should...
	Wait.
	Seahawks Browns Bengals Bears Cowboys Giants Titans/Chiefs u43.5.
	Lock it up :)
Who do you like for final two this year and why? (NFL)	The Broncos out of the AFC because the rest of the conference is hot garbage otherwise. While the Seahawks are still the class of the NFC, I personally like the Saints to represent them in the Super Bowl this year. (I think that Rob Ryan defense will be deadly )
I find pop culture bets really fascinating; outside of awards shows, what leads to a pop culture event getting posted odds? Any chance that you'll increase your number of pop culture bets going forward?	Player interest drives these and awards shows are becoming more and more popular. We used to only offer the Academy Awards for film related wagering, but have since complemented that with the Golden Globes and Screen Actor's Guild awards.
	We're probably not going to add the Razzies anytime soon, though.
Is it hard to cap teams such as Baylor, Oregon, etc in NCAAFB? They seem like they can score so much that setting a line seams difficult. Going back the past two seasons, they are 11-0 ATS at home.	If it's a prospective blowout, then very much so. We have our ratings based on how strong we believe teams to be, but at what point do they take their foot off the gas? Trying to account for that is much harder than a shorter spread that is more likely correlated to what a team is trying to achieve over 60 minutes.
Are any games memorable as huge money makers (or losers) for Bovada?	Most recently, the Super Bowl was the best individual day in terms of spread, props, futures, even live betting -- We continued to offer an updated spread throughout the game and the Seahawks covered each one, the highest being around -37 in-play.

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